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Post by Goblin, esq. on Oct 14, 2010 16:39:00 GMT -5
Does anyone have a less expensive source for Royal Navy buttons? I have looked at the "The Discriminating General" and I'll use them if I cannot find anything cheaper. Also, in your opinion, are the buttons on the waistcoat and breaches the same size as the coat? I'm afraid I haven't seen a less expensive source... In my opinion, the buttons on the waistcoat and breeches are quite a bit smaller. The coat buttons are probably an inch across, those on the smallclothes about half that. You could even use plain brass buttons, or self-covered buttons on the smallclothes.
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Post by Eleanor on Oct 14, 2010 17:31:57 GMT -5
Thanks. I've come to that conclusion. I'll be ordering buttons from them soon.
Kindly, Barbara
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Post by Eleanor on Nov 23, 2010 16:05:33 GMT -5
Hello again! I'm still plugging away at making my husband a Royal Navy uniform. He wants one as Goblin has pictured here: goblinrevolution.org/costumes/navy/dno1.pngMy question is about the lapels. In your opinion, are they sewn on as separate pieces? I can't figure out any other way to make them. Also, do you happen to know if in this style of uniform, are the lapels ever meant to button across the chest, as a double breasted coat usually does? Thanks for any help you can give me! With Kind Regards, Barbara
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Post by Eleanor on Nov 23, 2010 16:09:55 GMT -5
In regard to my question above, here is another photo of the uniform I am trying to make. Attachments:
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Post by Goblin, esq. on Nov 23, 2010 17:24:02 GMT -5
Hello again! I'm still plugging away at making my husband a Royal Navy uniform. He wants one as Goblin has pictured here: goblinrevolution.org/costumes/navy/dno1.pngMy question is about the lapels. In your opinion, are they sewn on as separate pieces? I can't figure out any other way to make them. Also, do you happen to know if in this style of uniform, are the lapels ever meant to button across the chest, as a double breasted coat usually does? Thanks for any help you can give me! With Kind Regards, Barbara Dear Barbara, In my opinion, the lapels in the picture you posted are separate pieces. (Unlike, I hasten to add, the lapels of the uniform I made, which is cut square across the bottom of the front.) The curve of the front precludes having the lapels be one piece with the fronts. I have seen paintings or engravings of this style buttoned closed, but generally only a few buttons, as the curve prevents it being buttoned all the way down. More typically, the lapels were kept buttoned back, and the coat was held closed by a few hooks-and-eyes near the top. For instance, the undress uniform Nelson was wearing when he was shot has the embroidered orders sewn over the lapel in such a way as to prevent it being buttoned over. See: www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/nelson/viewObject.cfm?ID=UNI0024&picture=4I have the honour to be, etc, Chris
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Post by Eleanor on Nov 23, 2010 21:35:22 GMT -5
Dear Chris,
I thank you most earnestly for all your help and advice. You have been invaluable to me as I make my way through the mysteries of the naval uniform. :-)
Yours kindly, ~Barbara
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Post by Post_Captain_Joe on Jun 30, 2011 19:34:58 GMT -5
Barbara,
I hope your endeavour with your Husband's new uniform was a smashing success. I'd love to see any photos you might have of the completed coat.
Your Obd't Servant Joseph Harney Captain Sir Thomas Cappel HMS Phoebe
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Post by Eleanor on Jun 30, 2011 22:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by Post_Captain_Joe on Jul 2, 2011 1:32:24 GMT -5
Brilliantly done my dear!
If I may be so bold, while an undress uniform might be appropriate for Cannoning the King's Ememies and Capturing a Prize Merchantman, A few yards of gold lace round the collar, cuffs, and lapels would do it eminantly well. Then there would be nothing stopping him from cutting a truly dashing figure through society.
Your obd't servant,
Joseph Harney Captain Sir Thomas Cappel HMS Phoebe
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Post by Eleanor on Jul 2, 2011 9:09:48 GMT -5
Brilliantly done my dear! If I may be so bold, while an undress uniform might be appropriate for Cannoning the King's Ememies and Capturing a Prize Merchantman, A few yards of gold lace round the collar, cuffs, and lapels would do it eminantly well. Then there would be nothing stopping him from cutting a truly dashing figure through society. Your obd't servant, Joseph Harney Captain Sir Thomas Cappel HMS Pheobe Indeed good sir, I hope to give him a dress uniform soon. It is merely the cost of the gold lace that is holding me back. I am a bit of a stickler for authenticity, you see. As much as I can be, given time and especially budget constraints. The gold lace appropriate for this uniform is rare and costly, and I just cannot seem to bring myself to put anything else on it! With kind regards, ~Eleanor
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Post by Post_Captain_Joe on Jul 5, 2011 3:55:06 GMT -5
My Dear,
I have sent you a private missive in regards to the subject at hand as always, Your Obd't Servant, Joseph Harney Captain Sir Thomas Cappel HMS Phoebe
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Post by Goblin, esq. on May 11, 2012 15:06:17 GMT -5
Note that (as discussed on the Uniform uniforms thread) officers' uniforms were made by their tailors, and there was considerable variation in cut and style. (I can't find the text of any of the period Royal Navy regulations anywhere on the web, only quoted bits): I found the Royal Navy uniform regulations in the London Gazette a little while ago, and here they are, in all their period spelling:
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Post by Goblin, esq. on May 11, 2012 15:10:04 GMT -5
And here are the 1812 regulations: (hmm... the formatting seems to have been ignored)
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Post by Eleanor on May 12, 2012 8:34:50 GMT -5
Thank you so much for this, Goblin! Hmmmm.... blue breeches with the captain's undress uniform. This I did not know! Guess I have some sewing to do now. On the dress uniform side, I'm still looking for lace I can afford. (sigh) Okay, to be honest, it's looking for lace that I'm willing to afford.
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Post by Goblin, esq. on Jul 8, 2012 16:18:18 GMT -5
Well, I'm not getting any younger, and promotion beyond captain was by seniority only, so I've decided to make a post-1812 uniform, and promote myself to admiral in the process! One can't be a dashing frigate-captain forever, can one?
Because I'm, ahem, detail oriented, I pulled a bunch of numbers from the London Gazette and Wikipedia, and plotted year promoted to admiral vs, age when promoted to admiral. So I have charts and facts to back up my decision!
The biggest obstacle I've noticed so far, is that nobody seems to make post-1812 admiral's buttons. The Discriminating General will make a button mold, but that costs an extra $125. This fee is waived if you order over 500 buttons. At roughly 40 buttons a coat, that's only 12 coats... Anyone know ten other people waning to make a post-1812 admiral's uniform? :-)
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