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Feb 26, 2008 15:50:36 GMT -5
Post by Goblin, esq. on Feb 26, 2008 15:50:36 GMT -5
From Northanger Abbey:
"And she would neither believe her own watch, nor her brother's, nor the servant's..."
Where does a Regency lady carry her watch? Pinned to her dress? In her ridicule? In a pocket? Were pockets worn with day dress?
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Feb 26, 2008 16:03:28 GMT -5
Post by cosmoblue on Feb 26, 2008 16:03:28 GMT -5
"The chatelaine is a device which clips to the waist band or belt of a dress for holding such items as the mistress of the house would need with her throughout the day. It might include her seal, watch, scissors, thimble, a vinaigrette, and a key holder." as found here: www.janeausten.co.uk/magazine/page.ihtml?pid=272&step=4
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Lady Serendipity
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Feb 26, 2008 16:23:55 GMT -5
Post by Lady Serendipity on Feb 26, 2008 16:23:55 GMT -5
Hmm. Sounds like the exalted (and almost certainly sartorially superior!) ancestor of the modern day lanyard!
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Feb 26, 2008 17:32:10 GMT -5
Post by The Major on Feb 26, 2008 17:32:10 GMT -5
While shopping for original men's key wind watches I have come across several ladies' watches. I also have an acquaintance who repairs and restores original watches (even has a business doing it on ebay). I have seen a few ladies watches that hung from a pin, much like a broach. And then some with just a ring but no chain or fob so I don't know what they would have attached them with or to. But I thought the watch broach was interesting.
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Feb 26, 2008 18:55:40 GMT -5
Post by dawnluckham on Feb 26, 2008 18:55:40 GMT -5
Here is a lady’s chatelaine and watch. These generally have a hook/clip or pin at the back to attach it to the waist of the gown. www.virtualmuseum.info/collections/object.asp?categoryid=1&row=95&ckid=340184There are several c.1785 enameled watches shown here. Scroll down the page: www.antiquorum.com/html/vox/vox2003/jaquetdroz/jaquetdroz.htmThis page has several watches from the late 18th century. Notice that watches generally don’t have a protective cover over the face. Watches, like glasses were a status symbol. If you had one, you generally wanted people to see that you had it. www.antique-watch.biz/acatalog/view_sections_______Decorative_6.htmlI had a great painting for a reference, showing 2 sisters one or both (can’t recall) wearing the watch on a simple ribbon and pinned/hung from the waist of the skirt. I had a computer crash a short time ago and while I think all my files have been rescued and saved the searching for files is sometimes very disorganized. All that to say that I’m sorry, I can’t find the file for you. Here are two (tiny) pictures of my watch on a shirred piece of silk and pinned to my dress waist. (I change the pin to go with my dress.) The one with the heart shaped piece is as much of a “sewing chatelaine” as I’m comfortable wearing. It’s a very pretty piece of moulded bee’s wax that I use for waxing my thread. Chatelaines existed, but I can’t tell you how common they were. It would be more common to attach sewing tools and keys and such to a ribbon. I believe these were worn when used – not all the time. The reproduction chatelaines available to us are a more Victorian and Edwardian style.
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Feb 28, 2008 14:20:49 GMT -5
Post by Goblin, esq. on Feb 28, 2008 14:20:49 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for the information. (I'd been puzzling about this while reading the book. I've decided I need to read all the Austen I've never looked at before, and I'm taking notes while I do so.)
I was aware that most available reproduction chatelaines were Victorian, but I wasn't aware that they were used in the Georgian/Regency eras at all.
Those enamelled watches are magnificent!
Some day I want a key-wound watch. My current watch is a battery operated Jas. Townsend repro.
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Mar 3, 2008 23:05:24 GMT -5
Post by dawnluckham on Mar 3, 2008 23:05:24 GMT -5
Goblin, I've found a watch for your lady-love. I'm sure she deserves it! tinyurl.com/2wa2h8
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Mar 4, 2008 10:55:44 GMT -5
Post by maudelynn on Mar 4, 2008 10:55:44 GMT -5
Goblin, I've found a watch for your lady-love. I'm sure she deserves it! tinyurl.com/2wa2h8But be careful with the seller, as it looks like their feedback is pretty low
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Mar 4, 2008 11:57:04 GMT -5
Post by Mme de Beaufort on Mar 4, 2008 11:57:04 GMT -5
It's so lovely, but oh so much money just for a bauble.
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Mar 4, 2008 12:40:48 GMT -5
Post by Goblin, esq. on Mar 4, 2008 12:40:48 GMT -5
Goblin, I've found a watch for your lady-love. I'm sure she deserves it! tinyurl.com/2wa2h8That's gorgeous! Lady Egg deserves that and so much more, but I think Master Teo deserves and education, too, and an income of five thousand pounds a year just isn't what it was two hundred years ago. :-)
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Mar 5, 2008 18:14:49 GMT -5
Post by cosmoblue on Mar 5, 2008 18:14:49 GMT -5
I found this tidbit about a locket watch and fobs at the JA Centre site: One other type of jewelry to spring into favor during the Regency were locket watches, as one writer described, "[small watches] are worn by a few dashing belles, on their bosoms, not bigger than a round half guinea." Men's watch fobs could also be used with the redingote (coat) type dress or coat. www.janeausten.co.uk/magazine/page.ihtml?pid=79&step=4
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Mar 18, 2008 15:22:39 GMT -5
Post by cosmoblue on Mar 18, 2008 15:22:39 GMT -5
I am not sure but it looks like the Lady on the left is wearing a watch.
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Mar 18, 2008 15:38:17 GMT -5
Post by Mme de Beaufort on Mar 18, 2008 15:38:17 GMT -5
And her reticule appears to have a clasp closure on it.
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Mar 18, 2008 17:40:31 GMT -5
Post by The Major on Mar 18, 2008 17:40:31 GMT -5
I believe Cosmo is correct. That looks like a watch to me also.
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Mar 20, 2008 21:35:05 GMT -5
Post by Lady Serendipity on Mar 20, 2008 21:35:05 GMT -5
I found this tidbit about a locket watch and fobs at the JA Centre site: One other type of jewelry to spring into favor during the Regency were locket watches, as one writer described, "[small watches] are worn by a few dashing belles, on their bosoms, not bigger than a round half guinea." Men's watch fobs could also be used with the redingote (coat) type dress or coat. www.janeausten.co.uk/magazine/page.ihtml?pid=79&step=4I don't know if this is the "writer" they refer to, but I also found that quote, in my copy of "Historic Dress in America....1607-1870". (By Elizabeth McClellan, published in 1904...reprinted in 1977) She goes on to say, "These were called locket watches and were suspended by a gold chain from the neck"...and references an illustration dated 1800.
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Mar 22, 2008 21:22:59 GMT -5
Post by dawnluckham on Mar 22, 2008 21:22:59 GMT -5
Cosmo, I love the fashion plate! Where did you find that one? Oh, and did they indicate a year for it? (It looks 1811-15 to me - but I've been wrong before! )
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Jun 28, 2011 14:03:57 GMT -5
Post by ladyirish on Jun 28, 2011 14:03:57 GMT -5
Dredging up an old thread to ask a new question... What size were ladies watches? I have a small hunter case watch that I use for, well, pretty much any time I feel like! It's about 1 1/2inches wide, gold, with a simple design on the cover. Would that size be correct for this era? It's in reality a Dueber-Hampden "Molly Stark" watch made in 1908 and runs beautifully!!!
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Sept 14, 2011 8:53:34 GMT -5
Post by Eleanor on Sept 14, 2011 8:53:34 GMT -5
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