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Post by cosmoblue on Mar 2, 2008 20:40:45 GMT -5
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chiemi
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Post by chiemi on Mar 3, 2008 11:13:11 GMT -5
I am totally dying over the fans. Fans need to come back into style so I can use them every day!!
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Post by Lady Serendipity on Apr 2, 2008 22:31:55 GMT -5
Do it anyway....who cares if it's in fashion! ;D (I used to have some japanese fans that I would use in church. Hey, beats waving a bulletin around! ;D) I'm shopping for a fan to carry to our ball, as we speak. I tend to, ahem, "glow" after the faster dances....so this item will be of practical use, as well as satisfying my assessory lust.
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Post by cosmoblue on Apr 4, 2008 14:07:27 GMT -5
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Post by missjulia on Apr 6, 2008 22:28:23 GMT -5
i am enraptured with the winsome little white cotton ruffled whitework reticule!! oh! such a beautiful little thing.
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Post by Mrs Parker on Apr 6, 2008 22:53:12 GMT -5
When did they go from being called "ridicules" to "reticules?" Does anyone here have an OED?
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Post by missjulia on Apr 6, 2008 23:33:03 GMT -5
my on computer OED gives this:
ridicule: ORIGIN late 17th cent.: from French, or from Latin ridiculum this definition refers only to the mockery or derision sense...
and then reticule: a woman's small handbag, originally netted and typically having a drawstring and decorated with embroidery or beading. ORIGIN early 18th cent.: from French réticule, from Latin reticulum
not exactly the same root, but one the first being late 17th c., the latter meaning clearly early 18th c.
yrhs, julia
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Post by Mrs Parker on Apr 7, 2008 0:22:51 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder what in the world I've been reading?!!? Thank you very kindly for the reference.
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Post by The Major on Apr 7, 2008 5:31:32 GMT -5
I have been privy to several discussions among ladies of the War of 1812 on this subject. One of those being just this weekend past. All of which I consider ladies of accomplished research.
It is my understanding that these bags were originally and always called a reticule and that some who thought ill of them, for whatever reason, referred to them in slang as ridicules.
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Post by dawnluckham on Apr 7, 2008 10:08:32 GMT -5
Perhaps I can offer a bit in this one. Indeed, “ridicule” is in reference to the ridiculous. Imagine 1790: Skirts are full enough to still wear pockets which, for lack of a better description are little bags tied to the waist which hold all a woman must carry with her – keys, pocket money, notes, sewing tools, etc. 1795 As the skirts slimmed toward 1800 the pockets were bulky under some of the highest fashion gowns and the pockets began to be carried. Little reticules show up in fashion plates this decade. 1801 Now imagine the perceived inconvenience of this! Up until this point, women had been hands free. Now they needed to carry and remember a little bag. Some of the earlier reticules are clear transition items in that they very much look like pockets still. It's important to remember that pockets continue to be used, but they are no longer fashionable. The working classes and the older population still wore them and even a somewhat fashionable young lady, "Emma" wears one in 1814 (when the book was written). Waist tied pockets are worn throughout the Victiorian period often as "travel pockets" even though by mid 19th c. many women's garments had sewn in pockets. 18thc. Embroidered pockets V&A Tambour worked pockets c.1800-1830 V&A Reticule 1750-1800 V&A Reticule McCord Museum 1800-1825 Reticule McCord Museum 1810-1825
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Post by Mrs Parker on Apr 7, 2008 10:19:38 GMT -5
Thank you both for adding to my enlightenment. I have been educated.
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Post by Lady Serendipity on Apr 7, 2008 13:15:46 GMT -5
i am enraptured with the winsome little white cotton ruffled whitework reticule!! oh! such a beautiful little thing. That's how I feel about the "Embroidered Knit Basket Bag". What were those used for?! They're making me swoony!!!
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Post by Lady Serendipity on Apr 7, 2008 13:22:29 GMT -5
dawn, again you deserve "exalting". I knew the evolution, but somehow your words and pictures really made me note the shape of the reticule, and how it really was an EXTERNAL POCKET. Maybe because I hadn't previously seen pictures of what they actually *did* use as "pockets".
DON'T RIDICULE THE RETICULE! One of the loveliest little assessories to ever come along!
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Post by missjulia on Apr 7, 2008 21:32:17 GMT -5
thank you for a fine presentation, i knew about pockets but never ever connect'd pockets and reticules.. it is an easy evolution, thank you for explaining so well. i wonder if the ladies at first were a little embarrased to carry their pockets turned reticules, as they were taking something that was once a more or less private item, and putting it on public display.. i always ponder such things, forgive me. enchanted enough to start making one... but there are so many projects calling... julia
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