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Post by cosmoblue on Feb 17, 2008 19:36:09 GMT -5
I have been doing extensive research into RHP for the Men's clothes and I am wondering where else people look for them. I love the variety in the wardrobes of the bucks. I was watching P&P but I start feeling like the suits all look the same and I get bored. Should I be more patient and study it more closely?
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Post by savivi on Mar 6, 2008 15:32:04 GMT -5
The whole deal with Regency was the cut -- for Beau Brummel the tailoring was EVERYTHING. So when you get into the movies, it's a little hard, I've found to see much flair in men's dress. (Though I know what you're talking about with RHP -- I remember the dandy's outfit, with a green jacket. Love!)
I have to say, as much as I disliked Becoming Jane -- Lefroy's velvet coat was DROOL worthy... and he had a little pattern action going on with the waist coats.
It's the 18th century movies that really let men preen like peacocks, for me. Marie Antoinette, Valmont...
So for Regency movies... I can't say I've particularly noticed men's clothing. Though, I think it would be an interesting study to see costume designers's cravat tying. THAT might be where you'd see the differences, if the character was particularly dapper.
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Post by cosmoblue on Mar 6, 2008 16:05:17 GMT -5
I'll have to check out Lefroy's costumes when I get around to seeing that. I just think that it is a shame that there isn't a lot of opportunity to see what the Dandy's like Beau were wearing versus the bucks and what ever Lord Byron was wearing. They couldn't all dress the same.
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Post by savivi on Mar 6, 2008 16:11:25 GMT -5
I hate to sound like a broken record, but for reading, Georgette Heyer is BRILLIANT when it comes to clothing. Not movies, unfortunately, but her writing is so clear you can see it.
She created her own Regency library from research, and made sketches and things of her observations that she could look back on.
But she uses clothing as a way to show a man's character -- cravats, shirtpoints, colors, prints, are all really important to her, and there are DETAILED descriptions of what men wear.
The more you read her, the more you understand the dress, and just by reading what they're wearing you know that one's a dandy, he's a buck, that dude's a corinthian -- and hah! That one's a wannabe. I especially love when the men thrust on their riding coats, and you find out how many capes are on it.
Hairstyles, too.
Edit: And the Beau shows up in her novels a couple times.
And I forgot about snuff boxes!
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Post by maudelynn on Mar 6, 2008 16:22:58 GMT -5
I really like the new Northanger Abbey for men's Regency. I also really really love the Johnny Lee Miller Byron Biopic. For overall... Dangerous Liasons is amazing
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Post by Mme de Beaufort on Mar 6, 2008 16:40:22 GMT -5
I really like S&S... I think the nice variations between the finer costumes and Colonel Brandon's less formal attire...
::sigh::
Colonel Brandon......
::swoon::
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Post by savivi on Mar 6, 2008 16:49:43 GMT -5
YES. That man..... THAT MAN.
Actually -- The differences between the men's costumes in S and S are subtle but really important-- Willy's shirtpoints are REALLY high. Edward's are high, but not as much as Will-will's, and Brandon can move his neck easily.
If Williebee was a true dandy, his collar would be so starched he wouldn't move his neck at all.
(I hate Willoughby. I've known him personally, and he's an ass.)
Edit: Got my E characters mixed up.
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Post by Mme de Beaufort on Mar 6, 2008 17:16:28 GMT -5
YES. That man..... THAT MAN. Actually -- The differences between the men's costumes in S and S are subtle but really important-- Willy's shirtpoints are REALLY high. Edmund's are high, but not as much as Will-will's, and Brandon can move his neck easily. If Williebee was a true dandy, his collar would be so starched he wouldn't move his neck at all. (I hate Willoughby. I've known him personally, and he's an ass.) I think any of us that swoon over Brandon have known a few Willoughbys in our lives. And yes, ass is an apt description.
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Post by Goblin, esq. on Mar 6, 2008 21:07:12 GMT -5
I doubt it surprises anyone to learn that the recent Hornblower series' are my favorites for the costuming. The costume designer, John Mollo, is a uniform historian, so the clothes are spot-on. (Unfortunately, the screenwriting is often a bit below the mark.)
Master and Commander is also a favorite, especially a scene where Jack Aubrey removes his coat rather haphazardly, and there is an excellent view of the lining!
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Post by savivi on Mar 7, 2008 9:44:37 GMT -5
I really liked the Horatio Hornblower series, but I never saw Master and Commander! Your description of the lining of his coat has me very curious now.... especially what's underneath THAT
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Post by The Major on Mar 7, 2008 11:28:17 GMT -5
And for us ground pounder military types, don't forget Sharpe's Rifles. Very good looks at a wide variety of British, French, and Spanish uniforms, enlisted and officers alike. And yes, there's even a few squids too There are some civilian gentleman's clothes as well. Not a lot, but a variety of nationalities augments what is shown. Again, English, French and Spanish. And lest we forget, although more male dominated, there are some ladies clothes as well. And, like above, English, French and Spanish. A British rocket corps officer's uniform would be very dashing!
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Post by Mme de Beaufort on Mar 7, 2008 11:41:48 GMT -5
A British rocket corps officer's uniform would be very dashing! I cannot deny that I, and decidedly many women believe that men are always quite dashing in uniform. I wouldn't mind seeing my hubby all gussied up in some sort of military getup. Rreeowr.
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Post by The Major on Mar 7, 2008 12:23:02 GMT -5
If I were to have an uniform other than U.S. made, I would really lean toward French. If nothing else can be said, their uniforms of this time period were, in my opinion, the most spectacular. The British had a few, like the rocket corps officer or lancers, but the French really had the neatest looking uniforms.
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Post by Goblin, esq. on Mar 7, 2008 12:35:47 GMT -5
I really liked the Horatio Hornblower series, but I never saw Master and Commander! Your description of the lining of his coat has me very curious now.... especially what's underneath THAT Master and Commander is a truly excellent film, well written, well acted, historically accurate. I love how the ship is almost an additional character. I took a screen capture of the lining in question a while back while discussing uniforms on an LJ forum: Note how the back of the coat is unlined, and the fronts and sleeves are clearly lined with different fabrics.
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Post by Goblin, esq. on Mar 7, 2008 12:42:55 GMT -5
A British rocket corps officer's uniform would be very dashing! I must agree with the Major on this. The rocket corps uniforms are spectacular! (And the Sharpe's Rifles series is well worth watching.)
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Post by Mme de Beaufort on Mar 7, 2008 13:32:12 GMT -5
If I were to have an uniform other than U.S. made, I would really lean toward French. If nothing else can be said, their uniforms of this time period were, in my opinion, the most spectacular. The British had a few, like the rocket corps officer or lancers, but the French really had the neatest looking uniforms. Samples?
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Post by The Major on Mar 7, 2008 14:28:12 GMT -5
If I were to have an uniform other than U.S. made, I would really lean toward French. If nothing else can be said, their uniforms of this time period were, in my opinion, the most spectacular. The British had a few, like the rocket corps officer or lancers, but the French really had the neatest looking uniforms. Samples? Unfortunately I don't have the equipment or know how to get pictures from the Sharpe's films to show you. And I don't have a scanner to scan what I have in some of my books - I have some Men-At-Arms books that are fantastic with uniforms of this era of a good many nations. When I get some time I'll have to do some searching on the web and see what I can find for you (after being off work sick for a few days I'm trying to get caught up). Perhaps Mssr. Goblin may have some links. I'll let you know when I find some things.
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Post by Mme de Beaufort on Mar 7, 2008 16:21:13 GMT -5
Thank you.
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Post by The Major on Mar 7, 2008 19:12:52 GMT -5
Thank you. You would be most welcome, madam.
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Post by Val on Mar 7, 2008 21:47:52 GMT -5
Master and Commander is a truly excellent film, well written, well acted, historically accurate. I love how the ship is almost an additional character. I get to brag a little here. The ship used in this movie is anchored in the San Diego harbor and I've been on it. No pictures tho. It's a lot smaller than I expected.
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