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Post by lizziebennet on May 8, 2008 16:21:59 GMT -5
I'm in dire need of help! I'd like to make my brother a regency outfit for a performance our English Country Dancing group is putting on. The date is June 15, so I don't have as much time as I'd like. Neither do I have a large budget! I need a tailcoat/frockcoat, breeches and vest pattern. I don't have a big budget for this project, so even a Big Four pattern would work. I have my eye on this pattern for a tailcoat, but I also thought about the possibility of modifing this one. I do own this pattern, and have stitched up a couple of shirts, vests, and breeches from this pattern. I may be able to use one of those shirts, adding ruffles at the wrist, or even make up a new shirt. For breeches, I'm uncertain - the first pattern I mentioned for a tailcoat has a drop-front pants pattern I thought about shortening to breeches, but it lacks the fullness in the back, so I'm not so sure those will work out. Unless, of course, I added fullness to the back - I'm not sure how easy that is. As to the vest, the closest I've come is probably modifing a modern vest pattern so that the front edge would be straight (to be folded over at the top), and adding a stand-up collar. I don't know how feasible that is. Any help will be appreciated! I'd like to get this as accurate as possible, within my budget. Thanks in advance for your help! |
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Post by Mme de Beaufort on May 8, 2008 16:34:18 GMT -5
The Butterick tailcoat has a waist seam, which is not exactly accurate, but it may work fine for you in a pinch. I'd probably use the first one because the second may require more tweaking. I can't recommend a tailcoat pattern yet, because I have a new one on the way which I know nothing about, and the Wingeo frock coat was not ver much to my liking. Breeches for hubby I got here; broadfall, very nice professional pattern, good instructions. Shirt I got from this pattern, it serves its purpose quite adequately. Waistcoat from this pattern, which I like and continue to use. I confess I'm not the queen of historical accuracy; but these are cost-effective, and image-effective patterns to work with; as far as I'm concerned. I don't think hubby looks horrible here.  |
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Post by The Major on May 8, 2008 17:37:26 GMT -5
I'm in dire need of help! I'd like to make my brother a regency outfit for a performance our English Country Dancing group is putting on. The date is June 15, so I don't have as much time as I'd like. Neither do I have a large budget! I need a tailcoat/frockcoat, breeches and vest pattern. I don't have a big budget for this project, so even a Big Four pattern would work. I have my eye on this pattern for a tailcoat, but I also thought about the possibility of modifing this one. I do own this pattern, and have stitched up a couple of shirts, vests, and breeches from this pattern. I may be able to use one of those shirts, adding ruffles at the wrist, or even make up a new shirt. For breeches, I'm uncertain - the first pattern I mentioned for a tailcoat has a drop-front pants pattern I thought about shortening to breeches, but it lacks the fullness in the back, so I'm not so sure those will work out. Unless, of course, I added fullness to the back - I'm not sure how easy that is. As to the vest, the closest I've come is probably modifing a modern vest pattern so that the front edge would be straight (to be folded over at the top), and adding a stand-up collar. I don't know how feasible that is. Any help will be appreciated! I'd like to get this as accurate as possible, within my budget. Thanks in advance for your help! Dear LizzieBennet, Your first choice of tail coat pattern would be better than the second. The vest pattern that Allseeing suggests is a good one and I would recommend it for you as well. However, there is one thing I must mention about your comment on the fullness of the trousers pattern. The full seat/backside/buttock/etc is colonial and, depending on your definition of the Regency era, is pre-Regency (or at most, very very very early Regency). Around the turn of the century the fullness of seat of breeches and trousers were going away. By the time of the War of 1812 (more actual Regency era), that fullness was basically gone. So, depending on just what time frame you are looking at, the trousers pattern would probably be just fine to modify to breeches. |
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Post by lauren on May 9, 2008 9:15:13 GMT -5
Steph and Major, You both are a wealth of information. And dear Major, I'm going to nag you once again. Where are the pictures?  |
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Post by lauren on May 9, 2008 12:00:51 GMT -5
I used the butterick pattern jacket and modified it to make hubby's vest. It turned out pretty well :-)
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Post by lizziebennet on May 10, 2008 17:49:29 GMT -5
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Y'all are wonderful!  Lauren - I never thought about modifing the jacket for the vest - that'll be perfect! Major - I did not realized that the "poofiness" of men's breeches & trousers was no longer there! I assumed it still existed, since the "diaper-bottom" of the Colonial era was needed so the gentlemen could sit down. Thank you for enlightening me! Steph - thank you for your input, it was very helpful! Now that I have the patterns picked, I'll be able to figure out what fabric/colors and find some shoes! |
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Post by aimeekitty on Dec 14, 2010 15:53:55 GMT -5
I'm curious about this same issue, even though this is an older thread. B3648 Butterick... on Great Pattern Review, they list it as being a good pattern but not entirely period correct. Are there any good men's coat patterns that ARE correct? Rocking Horse Farm's are poorly reviewed consistently.
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Post by Mme de Beaufort on Dec 15, 2010 0:13:39 GMT -5
I have not made the Rocking Horse pattern yet, but it's been redrafted by the new owners and is supposed to be very good. I can say that the Wingeo pattern worked fairly well, but the front cut is a bit high, revealing a large portion of the waistcoat.
Reconstructing History's pattern was... meh.
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Post by crowderhouse on Jul 19, 2011 9:32:46 GMT -5
This might be a little late, but I have been using the Rocking Horse Farm (RHF) patterns and quite like them. They are difficult to adjust to in terms of moving from something like Simplicity patterns - as there are few pictures in RHF patterns. I have also caught a few small errors. On the whole (and this after trying one of the women's Sense & Sensibility patterns), I find RHF straight forward and capable of producing a nice piece of clothing. So far, I have used: - The Poet's Shirt (the collar needs adjusting for Regency, just trim it to be flat):
- The Tail Coat (a bit trying on the cuffs and back pleats, but otherwise good);
- The front fall pants (had no problems there);
- The 1812 Vest
Being new at all of this, I won't make claims to historical accuracy, this is more a comment on using the pattern itself and how the piece turns out. I leave the authenticity question to those better versed. Attachments:
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