Lace?

[cosmoblue]

I am wondering if anyone has a good resource for a regency appropriate lace and/or patterned ribbon?

[iamdiverted]

Handmade, baby. lol

[cosmoblue]

Handmade? Not this girl. LOL

[Mme de Beaufort]

Try Belgian lace sites. ::smirk:: If you're going to be a purist, go the whole hog.

[Lady Serendipity]

So, what are period correct trims?

I know definitely not all lace is correct.

I've been looking at some jacquard trims, but most designs seem medieval or Elizabethan.

[cosmoblue]

serendipity said:

So, what are period correct trims?

I know definitely not all lace is correct.

I've been looking at some jacquard trims, but most designs seem medieval or Elizabethan.

It seems to me that most of the gowns that I have seen use lace and ribbon and embroidery and cord as trims. The ribbons I have noticed have been solid colors in silk satin and velvet. I am sure that there are some people with more experience than I have that may have more info than I have. I will look out for examples of trims for you.

[Lady Serendipity]

I will look out for examples of trims for you.

THANKS! As I just posted on another thread, I tend to err towards the fussy side.

I'm not a purist, so not being exactly "period correct" isn't going to bother me, if I find something I really love, BUT....

....I'm at least a "stickler for research" enough that I like to KNOW what rules I'm breaking! ;D

I looked at Jessamyn's site, but she talks mostly about period correct fabrics, not trims (that I can see).

Would a solid color, say, velvet trim, have embroidery or beadwork on it? (see....I'm trying to get my "bling" in there, lol!)

[maudelynn]

Here are a few trims that are correct

www.cheeptrims.com/store/item.asp?Category=&SubCategoryID=&GroupID=&SKU=BKP%2D850291%2DC01C

www.mjtrim.com/Catalog/Category/139.aspx

www.mjtrim.com/catalog/product/166/25537/25537.aspx

www.mjtrim.com/catalog/product/166/30556/30556.aspx

www.mjtrim.com/catalog/product/96/28550/28550.aspx

for starters hope that helps

[Lady Serendipity]

That DOES help, thank you! I was on the right track with a lot of the thoughts I was having (and you gotta like when that happens, lol!)

As for ribbon (such as jacquard), would you say floral designs were out?

How about something similar to art nouveau looking designs? Would that ever be accurate for the Regency era? (classical, neo-classical, classical-inspired....I'm not sure I have all these concepts sorted out and differentiated in my head! )

[cosmoblue]

serendipity said:

As for ribbon (such as jacquard), would you say floral designs were out?

Here is some thing that Looks like something you might be thinking of. It is one of the few things like this that I've seen.

www.marquise.de/en/1800/arte/a181x_4.shtml
www.marquise.de/en/1800/arte/a181x_3.shtml

[Lady Serendipity]

Hmmm....looks like I should try to stick with more basic abstract motifs in trims, and try to stay away from more literal or elaborate patterns?

I was interested to see all the "ribbon embroidery" looking trims, though. I used to do that. I'll have to break the skill out again....when I'm feeling really ambitious!

[cosmoblue]

serendipity said:

Hmmm....looks like I should try to stick with more basic abstract motifs in trims, and try to stay away from more literal or elaborate patterns?

I was interested to see all the "ribbon embroidery" looking trims, though. I used to do that. I'll have to break the skill out again....when I'm feeling really ambitious!

Honestly I think that it is prettier to stick with something solid and be elaborate with the application than to stick on an ornate ribbon. I am jealous that you do ribbon embroidery. With so many examples of it I really want to learn.

[Lady Serendipity]

Hope this isn't going a little off topic now, but what about beading?

I know of course that jet beading was used liberally during Victorian times. Was it around during the Regency?

And I feel like I've seen pictures of Regency (ball) dresses with dangling beading, like on the sleeves, or from the waist. Is this correct?

[Lady Serendipity]

cosmoblue said:

Honestly I think that it is prettier to stick with something solid and be elaborate with the application than to stick on an ornate ribbon.

The more I think about it, the more I agree.

I am jealous that you do ribbon embroidery. With so many examples of it I really want to learn.

It's veeeeery easy! ;D Kinda satisfactory too, since you can see major results so much quicker than with regular embroidery.

I'm also interested in learning tambour. (sp?) looks intriguing.

My ball dress that I'm working on is a sheer white overlay. I'm thinking that it will be fun to change up the outfit with different color underskirts, and different trims.

Maybe someday when I get really bored with it (or, like I say, really ambitious! : I'll try doing some white-on-white embroidery on it, like around the hemline.

(but that's about the limit of my sewing abilities! lol)

[Val]

cosmoblue said:

www.marquise.de/en/1800/arte/a181x_3.shtml

That's the one I copied for my ball gown last year, the Empress Josephine. I used a trim with gold metal in it. It was a little hard to sew but looked nice.
Be warned, the hair looked horrible. Someone got caught in my veil and yanked, pulling hair and headpiece off. It never looked good after that. And good news: the gown is too big for me now.
www.pbase.com/cinnamonhrts/image/91244172

[Lady Serendipity]

How about Venice lace?

www.marinacraft.com/images/LaceTape01113.jpg

is that at all period proper?

[maudelynn]

serendipity said:

Hmmm....looks like I should try to stick with more basic abstract motifs in trims, and try to stay away from more literal or elaborate patterns?

I was interested to see all the "ribbon embroidery" looking trims, though. I used to do that. I'll have to break the skill out again....when I'm feeling really ambitious!

They tended to use classically inspired motifs, think grecian and roman.
i would stay away from overly elaborate and flowery stuffs.

[maudelynn]

serendipity said:

cosmoblue said:

Honestly I think that it is prettier to stick with something solid and be elaborate with the application than to stick on an ornate ribbon.

The more I think about it, the more I agree.

I am jealous that you do ribbon embroidery. With so many examples of it I really want to learn.

It's veeeeery easy! ;D Kinda satisfactory too, since you can see major results so much quicker than with regular embroidery.

I'm also interested in learning tambour. (sp?) looks intriguing.

My ball dress that I'm working on is a sheer white overlay. I'm thinking that it will be fun to change up the outfit with different color underskirts, and different trims.

Maybe someday when I get really bored with it (or, like I say, really ambitious! : I'll try doing some white-on-white embroidery on it, like around the hemline.

(but that's about the limit of my sewing abilities! lol)

I adore ribbon embroidery.
I am attempting more intricate embroidery at the mo, but wow, it makes my thumbs ache :/

[Val]

All this talk about ribbon embroidery has made to decide to take one of the classes in it at Costume College this year if it's offered. I seem to remember it being on the schedule the last couple years. I love handwork, so this would be fun.
I'm not a knitter/crocheter but have done embroidery and x-stitch.